• MangyForestCat posted a new activity comment 6 months, 4 weeks ago

    In reply to: MangyForestCat posted an update in the group Beginner Modeler - Modeling Competition 2017 @syd Why is there a “racial purity test\" for this competition? I do not understand at all the decision made to have this mixed messaging of what kits we are and are not allowed to use and whether they came from HLJ.com or not. If your intention was to create a completely closed ecosystem where no kits, but those bought from HLJ.com, would be eligible then obviously it is within your rights to do so. In that case why even bother with the description in the Advanced Category that it can be “a kit completely scratch-built, even a creation all your own that has never been seen before.” You know that from a logical perspective that those two things are mutually exclusive and cannot be true at the same time. You cannot BOTH A) Have a kit that you bought from HLJ.com or has been available to purchase from HLJ.com AND B) Make “a kit completely scratch-built, even a creation all your own that has never been seen before.” Those two are completely and utterly incompatible with each other. If you completely scratch-build a kit then it has obviously never been available for sale at HLJ.com. On top of which how do you judge this nonsensical little gem “the main part of your entry [has to] be an item that is, or was at one point, available for sale on hlj.com”? A completely scratch built, one-of-a-kind model, made at home from personally molded plastic/resin/vinyl/carbon-fiber, isn’t a kit that was once available from HLJ. On top of that, since it won’t have a “main part” to claim is from your website, how would you even possibly begin to categorize whether it’s eligible to partcipate? Honestly, I’ve studied with friends that have done computer programming and friends that have gone to law school. From a purely logical standpoint. This is terrible logic programming and makes no sense whatsoever. I bet this all went down a little something like this. Your boss Scott and everyone involved had a big discussion and, after a long examination and debate over 2013/2014, you decided to go a different direction and be more closed off, stifling, and restrictive with this year’s rules. Seeing all of this attention drawn to scratch built kits and items you do not sell on HLJ.com, you all came to the conclusion was not good for your business. You decided to make it more promotional in nature so that people would be more interested in using materials, building, and buying from HLJ. I get that. I completely understand that you want to draw attention to your company and this is all just one big promotion scheme. I’m not against that. What I am against is unclear rules and stifling creativity. Why not just be extremely clear, unrelenting, and Draconian with the rules? Why not just outright and flat-out state that we had to buy and a use a kit directly from HLJ.com? Why keep the colorful language in the Advanced Category saying you can completely scratch build a kit, when obviously that would, by any measure of logic, go against the idea that it’s from HLJ.com, or has at one time been sold there? You want to have it both ways and honestly your rules are not even close to allowing that to be true. And finally, why not just be more honest and open about this with EVERYONE? Why not just flat out tell everyone the reasons why you have different rules this year? Why have all this colorful, meandering, fuzzy, language around what is an isn’t allowed? Just be honest. You examined the 2013/2014 competition. You realized people weren’t necessarily using HLJ kits and materials. You didn’t really appreciate the true scratch-built and models from companies you don\'t sell from. You decided to do this competition and be more restrictive with the rules and regulations. You decided to stifle people’s choices and imaginations in order to promote your shop. I hold none of that against you. You are a business. However, as I already mentioned, what I do hold against you is this unclear and rather ridiculous stance you have taken. It’s obvious you just did a “Copy & Paste” of the old competition rules and category descriptions but you added in the “racial purity test” to make sure the kits come from HLJ. However you failed to notice that the rules from 2013/2014 do not mesh well with the ADDED “racial purity test” of 2017. Why not just extremely clear about this? * For reference to everyone this is the link to 2013/2014’s competition. http://hlj.com/Playing-With-Plamo-Modeling-Competition-2013#howto ** This is the link to 2017’s competition http://hlj.com/plamo-2017#howto View

    I’ve already mentioned this but think of the ridiculousness of not allowing limited edition mail-order Gundam kits.

    Like say from the website Gentei Kits.

    http://genteikits.com/kits/

    These are exclusive Bandai Gundam models that are available only if you order them by mail and available only in Japan on a one by one ordering basis.

    HLJ does not, has never, and will never sell the following available kits you can get directly from Bandai.

    MG 1/100 Tallgeese II & III

    HGUC 1/144 RGM-89S Proto Stark Jegan

    RE/100 1/100 Rebawoo

    So how do we classify those kits? Not allowed according to the ridiculous rules, or is it allowed because they are so similar to the “kinds of kits” that HLJ sells? So how “pure” do the kits have to be? Are only kits from HLJ.com allowed? How about kit…[Read more]

    • The base kit needs to be available on HLJ for purchase.
      Since the listed kits are originally a “P-Bandai” they will be considered illegal because they are not available at HLJ. However, it is not against the rules to alter another kit to resemble a P-Bandai. For example, HG IBO Iok’s Reginlaze is just a recolor of HG IBO Julieta’s Reginlaze. You can get Julieta’s Reginlaze and just repaint it.

    • For eligibility, the competition states “The first photo posted should be of the model kit box you intend to build.” This is done so the judges can confirm, what kit you are building and is the available for purchase. This is why they also have at least 4 work in progress photo, as a reference to check if you are not cheating. If anything, the more photos you post, the creditable your entry will be.

  • MangyForestCat posted a new activity comment 6 months, 4 weeks ago

    In reply to: MangyForestCat posted an update in the group Beginner Modeler - Modeling Competition 2017 @syd Why is there a “racial purity test\" for this competition? I do not understand at all the decision made to have this mixed messaging of what kits we are and are not allowed to use and whether they came from HLJ.com or not. If your intention was to create a completely closed ecosystem where no kits, but those bought from HLJ.com, would be eligible then obviously it is within your rights to do so. In that case why even bother with the description in the Advanced Category that it can be “a kit completely scratch-built, even a creation all your own that has never been seen before.” You know that from a logical perspective that those two things are mutually exclusive and cannot be true at the same time. You cannot BOTH A) Have a kit that you bought from HLJ.com or has been available to purchase from HLJ.com AND B) Make “a kit completely scratch-built, even a creation all your own that has never been seen before.” Those two are completely and utterly incompatible with each other. If you completely scratch-build a kit then it has obviously never been available for sale at HLJ.com. On top of which how do you judge this nonsensical little gem “the main part of your entry [has to] be an item that is, or was at one point, available for sale on hlj.com”? A completely scratch built, one-of-a-kind model, made at home from personally molded plastic/resin/vinyl/carbon-fiber, isn’t a kit that was once available from HLJ. On top of that, since it won’t have a “main part” to claim is from your website, how would you even possibly begin to categorize whether it’s eligible to partcipate? Honestly, I’ve studied with friends that have done computer programming and friends that have gone to law school. From a purely logical standpoint. This is terrible logic programming and makes no sense whatsoever. I bet this all went down a little something like this. Your boss Scott and everyone involved had a big discussion and, after a long examination and debate over 2013/2014, you decided to go a different direction and be more closed off, stifling, and restrictive with this year’s rules. Seeing all of this attention drawn to scratch built kits and items you do not sell on HLJ.com, you all came to the conclusion was not good for your business. You decided to make it more promotional in nature so that people would be more interested in using materials, building, and buying from HLJ. I get that. I completely understand that you want to draw attention to your company and this is all just one big promotion scheme. I’m not against that. What I am against is unclear rules and stifling creativity. Why not just be extremely clear, unrelenting, and Draconian with the rules? Why not just outright and flat-out state that we had to buy and a use a kit directly from HLJ.com? Why keep the colorful language in the Advanced Category saying you can completely scratch build a kit, when obviously that would, by any measure of logic, go against the idea that it’s from HLJ.com, or has at one time been sold there? You want to have it both ways and honestly your rules are not even close to allowing that to be true. And finally, why not just be more honest and open about this with EVERYONE? Why not just flat out tell everyone the reasons why you have different rules this year? Why have all this colorful, meandering, fuzzy, language around what is an isn’t allowed? Just be honest. You examined the 2013/2014 competition. You realized people weren’t necessarily using HLJ kits and materials. You didn’t really appreciate the true scratch-built and models from companies you don\'t sell from. You decided to do this competition and be more restrictive with the rules and regulations. You decided to stifle people’s choices and imaginations in order to promote your shop. I hold none of that against you. You are a business. However, as I already mentioned, what I do hold against you is this unclear and rather ridiculous stance you have taken. It’s obvious you just did a “Copy & Paste” of the old competition rules and category descriptions but you added in the “racial purity test” to make sure the kits come from HLJ. However you failed to notice that the rules from 2013/2014 do not mesh well with the ADDED “racial purity test” of 2017. Why not just extremely clear about this? * For reference to everyone this is the link to 2013/2014’s competition. http://hlj.com/Playing-With-Plamo-Modeling-Competition-2013#howto ** This is the link to 2017’s competition http://hlj.com/plamo-2017#howto View

    You are the only one who has hit the nail right on the head. You’re exactly right. You understand my frustration and confusion considering I was already thinking of what I would be modeling and painting. It is absolutely semantics but it’s also about being both contradicting and inconsistent within their own rules.

  • MangyForestCat posted a new activity comment 6 months, 4 weeks ago

    In reply to: MangyForestCat posted an update in the group Intermediate Modeler – Modeling Competition 2017 @syd Why is there a “racial purity test\" for this competition? I do not understand at all the decision made to have this mixed messaging of what kits we are and are not allowed to use and whether they came from HLJ.com or not. If your intention was to create a completely closed ecosystem where no kits, but those bought from HLJ.com, would be eligible then obviously it is within your rights to do so. In that case why even bother with the description in the Advanced Category that it can be “a kit completely scratch-built, even a creation all your own that has never been seen before.” You know that from a logical perspective that those two things are mutually exclusive and cannot be true at the same time. You cannot BOTH A) Have a kit that you bought from HLJ.com or has been available to purchase from HLJ.com AND B) Make “a kit completely scratch-built, even a creation all your own that has never been seen before.” Those two are completely and utterly incompatible with each other. If you completely scratch-build a kit then it has obviously never been available for sale at HLJ.com. On top of which how do you judge this nonsensical little gem “the main part of your entry [has to] be an item that is, or was at one point, available for sale on hlj.com”? A completely scratch built, one-of-a-kind model, made at home from personally molded plastic/resin/vinyl/carbon-fiber, isn’t a kit that was once available from HLJ. On top of that, since it won’t have a “main part” to claim is from your website, how would you even possibly begin to categorize whether it’s eligible to partcipate? Honestly, I’ve studied with friends that have done computer programming and friends that have gone to law school. From a purely logical standpoint. This is terrible logic programming and makes no sense whatsoever. I bet this all went down a little something like this. Your boss Scott and everyone involved had a big discussion and, after a long examination and debate over 2013/2014, you decided to go a different direction and be more closed off, stifling, and restrictive with this year’s rules. Seeing all of this attention drawn to scratch built kits and items you do not sell on HLJ.com, you all came to the conclusion was not good for your business. You decided to make it more promotional in nature so that people would be more interested in using materials, building, and buying from HLJ. I get that. I completely understand that you want to draw attention to your company and this is all just one big promotion scheme. I’m not against that. What I am against is unclear rules and stifling creativity. Why not just be extremely clear, unrelenting, and Draconian with the rules? Why not just outright and flat-out state that we had to buy and a use a kit directly from HLJ.com? Why keep the colorful language in the Advanced Category saying you can completely scratch build a kit, when obviously that would, by any measure of logic, go against the idea that it’s from HLJ.com, or has at one time been sold there? You want to have it both ways and honestly your rules are not even close to allowing that to be true. And finally, why not just be more honest and open about this with EVERYONE? Why not just flat out tell everyone the reasons why you have different rules this year? Why have all this colorful, meandering, fuzzy, language around what is an isn’t allowed? Just be honest. You examined the 2013/2014 competition. You realized people weren’t necessarily using HLJ kits and materials. You didn’t really appreciate the true scratch-built and models from companies you don\'t sell from. You decided to do this competition and be more restrictive with the rules and regulations. You decided to stifle people’s choices and imaginations in order to promote your shop. I hold none of that against you. You are a business. However, as I already mentioned, what I do hold against you is this unclear and rather ridiculous stance you have taken. It’s obvious you just did a “Copy & Paste” of the old competition rules and category descriptions but you added in the “racial purity test” to make sure the kits come from HLJ. However you failed to notice that the rules from 2013/2014 do not mesh well with the ADDED “racial purity test” of 2017. Why not just extremely clear about this? * For reference to everyone this is the link to 2013/2014’s competition. http://hlj.com/Playing-With-Plamo-Modeling-Competition-2013#howto ** This is the link to 2017’s competition http://hlj.com/plamo-2017#howto View

    It sure has. I had several in mind and none of them are available on HLJ. In fact that was my entire strategy. To build and model something no one else has. Something not even similar to what everyone else has.

    I build mecha, and I build planes, and I build tanks, and I have built cars as well. Nobody else here will ever build and post from Games Workshop’s line of model kits like I have. They don’t build from Reaper Miniatures, or from ForgeWorld, or from even the exquisite and beautiful historical and fantastical Pegaso models.

    The idea that I can’t bring forth in full force something like Warhammer Age of Sigmar’s amazing Alarielle The Everqueen, or a Clockwork Dragon from Reaper, is just maddening. We are restricting this to generally eastern/Asian kits. This was not a rule…[Read more]

  • MangyForestCat posted a new activity comment 6 months, 4 weeks ago

    In reply to: MangyForestCat posted an update in the group Advanced Modeler - Modeling Competition 2017 @syd Why is there a “racial purity test\" for this competition? I do not understand at all the decision made to have this mixed messaging of what kits we are and are not allowed to use and whether they came from HLJ.com or not. If your intention was to create a completely closed ecosystem where no kits, but those bought from HLJ.com, would be eligible then obviously it is within your rights to do so. In that case why even bother with the description in the Advanced Category that it can be “a kit completely scratch-built, even a creation all your own that has never been seen before.” You know that from a logical perspective that those two things are mutually exclusive and cannot be true at the same time. You cannot BOTH A) Have a kit that you bought from HLJ.com or has been available to purchase from HLJ.com AND B) Make “a kit completely scratch-built, even a creation all your own that has never been seen before.” Those two are completely and utterly incompatible with each other. If you completely scratch-build a kit then it has obviously never been available for sale at HLJ.com. On top of which how do you judge this nonsensical little gem “the main part of your entry [has to] be an item that is, or was at one point, available for sale on hlj.com”? A completely scratch built, one-of-a-kind model, made at home from personally molded plastic/resin/vinyl/carbon-fiber, isn’t a kit that was once available from HLJ. On top of that, since it won’t have a “main part” to claim is from your website, how would you even possibly begin to categorize whether it’s eligible to partcipate? Honestly, I’ve studied with friends that have done computer programming and friends that have gone to law school. From a purely logical standpoint. This is terrible logic programming and makes no sense whatsoever. I bet this all went down a little something like this. Your boss Scott and everyone involved had a big discussion and, after a long examination and debate over 2013/2014, you decided to go a different direction and be more closed off, stifling, and restrictive with this year’s rules. Seeing all of this attention drawn to scratch built kits and items you do not sell on HLJ.com, you all came to the conclusion was not good for your business. You decided to make it more promotional in nature so that people would be more interested in using materials, building, and buying from HLJ. I get that. I completely understand that you want to draw attention to your company and this is all just one big promotion scheme. I’m not against that. What I am against is unclear rules and stifling creativity. Why not just be extremely clear, unrelenting, and Draconian with the rules? Why not just outright and flat-out state that we had to buy and a use a kit directly from HLJ.com? Why keep the colorful language in the Advanced Category saying you can completely scratch build a kit, when obviously that would, by any measure of logic, go against the idea that it’s from HLJ.com, or has at one time been sold there? You want to have it both ways and honestly your rules are not even close to allowing that to be true. And finally, why not just be more honest and open about this with EVERYONE? Why not just flat out tell everyone the reasons why you have different rules this year? Why have all this colorful, meandering, fuzzy, language around what is an isn’t allowed? Just be honest. You examined the 2013/2014 competition. You realized people weren’t necessarily using HLJ kits and materials. You didn’t really appreciate the true scratch-built and models from companies you don\'t sell from. You decided to do this competition and be more restrictive with the rules and regulations. You decided to stifle people’s choices and imaginations in order to promote your shop. I hold none of that against you. You are a business. However, as I already mentioned, what I do hold against you is this unclear and rather ridiculous stance you have taken. It’s obvious you just did a “Copy & Paste” of the old competition rules and category descriptions but you added in the “racial purity test” to make sure the kits come from HLJ. However you failed to notice that the rules from 2013/2014 do not mesh well with the ADDED “racial purity test” of 2017. Why not just extremely clear about this? * For reference to everyone this is the link to 2013/2014’s competition. http://hlj.com/Playing-With-Plamo-Modeling-Competition-2013#howto ** This is the link to 2017’s competition http://hlj.com/plamo-2017#howto View

    The same goes to you kid. In fact, I can pretty much sum up all of my thoughts on you with a simple eat shit and die.

    If you don’t have any problems with the rules then you can easily stay the hell out of the conversation.

    Do you think HLJ and HLtv needs you here to defend them? Do you think that Syd and the crew need you here representing for them? You know, Syd is a big boy. I’m sure he and whoever is actually in charge can answer for themselves. Are you such a pure fanboy that you can’t help but elbow in on every conversation? Do you need attention on you at all times like a child? Don’t worry, you’ve got my attention.

    I’ve raised legitimate questions about the rules and regulations of the competition. If you don’t have anything constructive to add then sit on your hands…[Read more]

  • MangyForestCat posted a new activity comment 6 months, 4 weeks ago

    In reply to: MangyForestCat posted an update in the group Intermediate Modeler – Modeling Competition 2017 @syd Why is there a “racial purity test\" for this competition? I do not understand at all the decision made to have this mixed messaging of what kits we are and are not allowed to use and whether they came from HLJ.com or not. If your intention was to create a completely closed ecosystem where no kits, but those bought from HLJ.com, would be eligible then obviously it is within your rights to do so. In that case why even bother with the description in the Advanced Category that it can be “a kit completely scratch-built, even a creation all your own that has never been seen before.” You know that from a logical perspective that those two things are mutually exclusive and cannot be true at the same time. You cannot BOTH A) Have a kit that you bought from HLJ.com or has been available to purchase from HLJ.com AND B) Make “a kit completely scratch-built, even a creation all your own that has never been seen before.” Those two are completely and utterly incompatible with each other. If you completely scratch-build a kit then it has obviously never been available for sale at HLJ.com. On top of which how do you judge this nonsensical little gem “the main part of your entry [has to] be an item that is, or was at one point, available for sale on hlj.com”? A completely scratch built, one-of-a-kind model, made at home from personally molded plastic/resin/vinyl/carbon-fiber, isn’t a kit that was once available from HLJ. On top of that, since it won’t have a “main part” to claim is from your website, how would you even possibly begin to categorize whether it’s eligible to partcipate? Honestly, I’ve studied with friends that have done computer programming and friends that have gone to law school. From a purely logical standpoint. This is terrible logic programming and makes no sense whatsoever. I bet this all went down a little something like this. Your boss Scott and everyone involved had a big discussion and, after a long examination and debate over 2013/2014, you decided to go a different direction and be more closed off, stifling, and restrictive with this year’s rules. Seeing all of this attention drawn to scratch built kits and items you do not sell on HLJ.com, you all came to the conclusion was not good for your business. You decided to make it more promotional in nature so that people would be more interested in using materials, building, and buying from HLJ. I get that. I completely understand that you want to draw attention to your company and this is all just one big promotion scheme. I’m not against that. What I am against is unclear rules and stifling creativity. Why not just be extremely clear, unrelenting, and Draconian with the rules? Why not just outright and flat-out state that we had to buy and a use a kit directly from HLJ.com? Why keep the colorful language in the Advanced Category saying you can completely scratch build a kit, when obviously that would, by any measure of logic, go against the idea that it’s from HLJ.com, or has at one time been sold there? You want to have it both ways and honestly your rules are not even close to allowing that to be true. And finally, why not just be more honest and open about this with EVERYONE? Why not just flat out tell everyone the reasons why you have different rules this year? Why have all this colorful, meandering, fuzzy, language around what is an isn’t allowed? Just be honest. You examined the 2013/2014 competition. You realized people weren’t necessarily using HLJ kits and materials. You didn’t really appreciate the true scratch-built and models from companies you don\'t sell from. You decided to do this competition and be more restrictive with the rules and regulations. You decided to stifle people’s choices and imaginations in order to promote your shop. I hold none of that against you. You are a business. However, as I already mentioned, what I do hold against you is this unclear and rather ridiculous stance you have taken. It’s obvious you just did a “Copy & Paste” of the old competition rules and category descriptions but you added in the “racial purity test” to make sure the kits come from HLJ. However you failed to notice that the rules from 2013/2014 do not mesh well with the ADDED “racial purity test” of 2017. Why not just extremely clear about this? * For reference to everyone this is the link to 2013/2014’s competition. http://hlj.com/Playing-With-Plamo-Modeling-Competition-2013#howto ** This is the link to 2017’s competition http://hlj.com/plamo-2017#howto View

    I care and I have a problem with these rules. That’s why I made these posts. If you don’t care then feel free not to care to yourself and keep it off my post.

    I have problems with not allowing certain kits. The kits I’ve mentioned are not obscure; they just don’t interest you. In fact I’ll put it to you this way…

    Ultimately, if you have a problem with my post, then don’t respond.

  • MangyForestCat posted a new activity comment 6 months, 4 weeks ago

    In reply to: MangyForestCat posted an update in the group Advanced Modeler - Modeling Competition 2017 @syd Why is there a “racial purity test\" for this competition? I do not understand at all the decision made to have this mixed messaging of what kits we are and are not allowed to use and whether they came from HLJ.com or not. If your intention was to create a completely closed ecosystem where no kits, but those bought from HLJ.com, would be eligible then obviously it is within your rights to do so. In that case why even bother with the description in the Advanced Category that it can be “a kit completely scratch-built, even a creation all your own that has never been seen before.” You know that from a logical perspective that those two things are mutually exclusive and cannot be true at the same time. You cannot BOTH A) Have a kit that you bought from HLJ.com or has been available to purchase from HLJ.com AND B) Make “a kit completely scratch-built, even a creation all your own that has never been seen before.” Those two are completely and utterly incompatible with each other. If you completely scratch-build a kit then it has obviously never been available for sale at HLJ.com. On top of which how do you judge this nonsensical little gem “the main part of your entry [has to] be an item that is, or was at one point, available for sale on hlj.com”? A completely scratch built, one-of-a-kind model, made at home from personally molded plastic/resin/vinyl/carbon-fiber, isn’t a kit that was once available from HLJ. On top of that, since it won’t have a “main part” to claim is from your website, how would you even possibly begin to categorize whether it’s eligible to partcipate? Honestly, I’ve studied with friends that have done computer programming and friends that have gone to law school. From a purely logical standpoint. This is terrible logic programming and makes no sense whatsoever. I bet this all went down a little something like this. Your boss Scott and everyone involved had a big discussion and, after a long examination and debate over 2013/2014, you decided to go a different direction and be more closed off, stifling, and restrictive with this year’s rules. Seeing all of this attention drawn to scratch built kits and items you do not sell on HLJ.com, you all came to the conclusion was not good for your business. You decided to make it more promotional in nature so that people would be more interested in using materials, building, and buying from HLJ. I get that. I completely understand that you want to draw attention to your company and this is all just one big promotion scheme. I’m not against that. What I am against is unclear rules and stifling creativity. Why not just be extremely clear, unrelenting, and Draconian with the rules? Why not just outright and flat-out state that we had to buy and a use a kit directly from HLJ.com? Why keep the colorful language in the Advanced Category saying you can completely scratch build a kit, when obviously that would, by any measure of logic, go against the idea that it’s from HLJ.com, or has at one time been sold there? You want to have it both ways and honestly your rules are not even close to allowing that to be true. And finally, why not just be more honest and open about this with EVERYONE? Why not just flat out tell everyone the reasons why you have different rules this year? Why have all this colorful, meandering, fuzzy, language around what is an isn’t allowed? Just be honest. You examined the 2013/2014 competition. You realized people weren’t necessarily using HLJ kits and materials. You didn’t really appreciate the true scratch-built and models from companies you don\'t sell from. You decided to do this competition and be more restrictive with the rules and regulations. You decided to stifle people’s choices and imaginations in order to promote your shop. I hold none of that against you. You are a business. However, as I already mentioned, what I do hold against you is this unclear and rather ridiculous stance you have taken. It’s obvious you just did a “Copy & Paste” of the old competition rules and category descriptions but you added in the “racial purity test” to make sure the kits come from HLJ. However you failed to notice that the rules from 2013/2014 do not mesh well with the ADDED “racial purity test” of 2017. Why not just extremely clear about this? * For reference to everyone this is the link to 2013/2014’s competition. http://hlj.com/Playing-With-Plamo-Modeling-Competition-2013#howto ** This is the link to 2017’s competition http://hlj.com/plamo-2017#howto View

    I could honestly go at length about the ridiculousness of this rule that it has to be a kit that is sold or was once sold in the past at HLJ.

    Not only does it hurt my personal ability to enter with kits that I find extremely interesting like those from Games Workshop, Reaper miniatures, and Privateer Press. It also stops some RIDICULOUS EXAMPLES like Gundam kits that HLJ currently does not, has never, and WILL NEVER sell in the future.

    How do the limited edition and mail-order Gundam kits fit into this? Those are not sold on HLJ.com and have never been sold there. If you go Gentei Kits and check ANY of the Gundam models available there those are technically not eligible to enter in the competition.

    This is why I call it a “racial purity test” because how do you judge if the…[Read more]

    • “I could honestly go at length about the ridiculousness of this rule that it has to be a kit that is sold or was once sold in the past at HLJ.”

      It’s not ridiculous. It’s a perfectly reasonable rule.

      “They want a completely closed off competition then they have that right.”

      Yes they do. Does HLJ have to explain and list all their reasons for this rule? No.

      “Just use your brains.”

      Lol. And you wonder why people find your posts and comments abrasive and condescending. Use your brain.

      • The same goes to you kid. In fact, I can pretty much sum up all of my thoughts on you with a simple eat shit and die.

        If you don’t have any problems with the rules then you can easily stay the hell out of the conversation.

        Do you think HLJ and HLtv needs you here to defend them? Do you think that Syd and the crew need you here representing for them? You know, Syd is a big boy. I’m sure he and whoever is actually in charge can answer for themselves. Are you such a pure fanboy that you can’t help but elbow in on every conversation? Do you need attention on you at all times like a child? Don’t worry, you’ve got my attention.

        I’ve raised legitimate questions about the rules and regulations of the competition. If you don’t have anything constructive to add then sit on your hands…[Read more]

  • MangyForestCat posted a new activity comment 6 months, 4 weeks ago

    In reply to: MangyForestCat posted an update in the group Intermediate Modeler – Modeling Competition 2017 @syd Why is there a “racial purity test\" for this competition? I do not understand at all the decision made to have this mixed messaging of what kits we are and are not allowed to use and whether they came from HLJ.com or not. If your intention was to create a completely closed ecosystem where no kits, but those bought from HLJ.com, would be eligible then obviously it is within your rights to do so. In that case why even bother with the description in the Advanced Category that it can be “a kit completely scratch-built, even a creation all your own that has never been seen before.” You know that from a logical perspective that those two things are mutually exclusive and cannot be true at the same time. You cannot BOTH A) Have a kit that you bought from HLJ.com or has been available to purchase from HLJ.com AND B) Make “a kit completely scratch-built, even a creation all your own that has never been seen before.” Those two are completely and utterly incompatible with each other. If you completely scratch-build a kit then it has obviously never been available for sale at HLJ.com. On top of which how do you judge this nonsensical little gem “the main part of your entry [has to] be an item that is, or was at one point, available for sale on hlj.com”? A completely scratch built, one-of-a-kind model, made at home from personally molded plastic/resin/vinyl/carbon-fiber, isn’t a kit that was once available from HLJ. On top of that, since it won’t have a “main part” to claim is from your website, how would you even possibly begin to categorize whether it’s eligible to partcipate? Honestly, I’ve studied with friends that have done computer programming and friends that have gone to law school. From a purely logical standpoint. This is terrible logic programming and makes no sense whatsoever. I bet this all went down a little something like this. Your boss Scott and everyone involved had a big discussion and, after a long examination and debate over 2013/2014, you decided to go a different direction and be more closed off, stifling, and restrictive with this year’s rules. Seeing all of this attention drawn to scratch built kits and items you do not sell on HLJ.com, you all came to the conclusion was not good for your business. You decided to make it more promotional in nature so that people would be more interested in using materials, building, and buying from HLJ. I get that. I completely understand that you want to draw attention to your company and this is all just one big promotion scheme. I’m not against that. What I am against is unclear rules and stifling creativity. Why not just be extremely clear, unrelenting, and Draconian with the rules? Why not just outright and flat-out state that we had to buy and a use a kit directly from HLJ.com? Why keep the colorful language in the Advanced Category saying you can completely scratch build a kit, when obviously that would, by any measure of logic, go against the idea that it’s from HLJ.com, or has at one time been sold there? You want to have it both ways and honestly your rules are not even close to allowing that to be true. And finally, why not just be more honest and open about this with EVERYONE? Why not just flat out tell everyone the reasons why you have different rules this year? Why have all this colorful, meandering, fuzzy, language around what is an isn’t allowed? Just be honest. You examined the 2013/2014 competition. You realized people weren’t necessarily using HLJ kits and materials. You didn’t really appreciate the true scratch-built and models from companies you don\'t sell from. You decided to do this competition and be more restrictive with the rules and regulations. You decided to stifle people’s choices and imaginations in order to promote your shop. I hold none of that against you. You are a business. However, as I already mentioned, what I do hold against you is this unclear and rather ridiculous stance you have taken. It’s obvious you just did a “Copy & Paste” of the old competition rules and category descriptions but you added in the “racial purity test” to make sure the kits come from HLJ. However you failed to notice that the rules from 2013/2014 do not mesh well with the ADDED “racial purity test” of 2017. Why not just extremely clear about this? * For reference to everyone this is the link to 2013/2014’s competition. http://hlj.com/Playing-With-Plamo-Modeling-Competition-2013#howto ** This is the link to 2017’s competition http://hlj.com/plamo-2017#howto View

    Richigo I have much respect for you and your work. Your submission to the 2013/2014 competition was amazing.

    I did not even submit my entry to the Advanced Category in 2014. I submitted my entry to the Intermediate Category because I saw models like yours and others in the Advanced Category and I did not believe I could hack it at that level.

    I was moved to the Advanced Category by @Syd and the other judges. I was extremely humbled and honored to be considered and pushed into the Advanced Category.

    I understand how you believe I am coming off in an abrasive and negative manner. However I have all the replies you sent saved in my e-mail inbox. You deleted a few of them. It seemed like you were more upset over what I wrote than you let off publicly here. Nevertheless, I am peeved…[Read more]

    • yeah I deleted those comments because they weren’t helpful or productive, apologies for that 🙂
      I entered in intermediate in the last comp and got bumped to advanced just like you 😛

  • MangyForestCat posted a new activity comment 6 months, 4 weeks ago

    In reply to: MangyForestCat posted an update in the group Advanced Modeler - Modeling Competition 2017 @syd Why is there a “racial purity test\" for this competition? I do not understand at all the decision made to have this mixed messaging of what kits we are and are not allowed to use and whether they came from HLJ.com or not. If your intention was to create a completely closed ecosystem where no kits, but those bought from HLJ.com, would be eligible then obviously it is within your rights to do so. In that case why even bother with the description in the Advanced Category that it can be “a kit completely scratch-built, even a creation all your own that has never been seen before.” You know that from a logical perspective that those two things are mutually exclusive and cannot be true at the same time. You cannot BOTH A) Have a kit that you bought from HLJ.com or has been available to purchase from HLJ.com AND B) Make “a kit completely scratch-built, even a creation all your own that has never been seen before.” Those two are completely and utterly incompatible with each other. If you completely scratch-build a kit then it has obviously never been available for sale at HLJ.com. On top of which how do you judge this nonsensical little gem “the main part of your entry [has to] be an item that is, or was at one point, available for sale on hlj.com”? A completely scratch built, one-of-a-kind model, made at home from personally molded plastic/resin/vinyl/carbon-fiber, isn’t a kit that was once available from HLJ. On top of that, since it won’t have a “main part” to claim is from your website, how would you even possibly begin to categorize whether it’s eligible to partcipate? Honestly, I’ve studied with friends that have done computer programming and friends that have gone to law school. From a purely logical standpoint. This is terrible logic programming and makes no sense whatsoever. I bet this all went down a little something like this. Your boss Scott and everyone involved had a big discussion and, after a long examination and debate over 2013/2014, you decided to go a different direction and be more closed off, stifling, and restrictive with this year’s rules. Seeing all of this attention drawn to scratch built kits and items you do not sell on HLJ.com, you all came to the conclusion was not good for your business. You decided to make it more promotional in nature so that people would be more interested in using materials, building, and buying from HLJ. I get that. I completely understand that you want to draw attention to your company and this is all just one big promotion scheme. I’m not against that. What I am against is unclear rules and stifling creativity. Why not just be extremely clear, unrelenting, and Draconian with the rules? Why not just outright and flat-out state that we had to buy and a use a kit directly from HLJ.com? Why keep the colorful language in the Advanced Category saying you can completely scratch build a kit, when obviously that would, by any measure of logic, go against the idea that it’s from HLJ.com, or has at one time been sold there? You want to have it both ways and honestly your rules are not even close to allowing that to be true. And finally, why not just be more honest and open about this with EVERYONE? Why not just flat out tell everyone the reasons why you have different rules this year? Why have all this colorful, meandering, fuzzy, language around what is an isn’t allowed? Just be honest. You examined the 2013/2014 competition. You realized people weren’t necessarily using HLJ kits and materials. You didn’t really appreciate the true scratch-built and models from companies you don\'t sell from. You decided to do this competition and be more restrictive with the rules and regulations. You decided to stifle people’s choices and imaginations in order to promote your shop. I hold none of that against you. You are a business. However, as I already mentioned, what I do hold against you is this unclear and rather ridiculous stance you have taken. It’s obvious you just did a “Copy & Paste” of the old competition rules and category descriptions but you added in the “racial purity test” to make sure the kits come from HLJ. However you failed to notice that the rules from 2013/2014 do not mesh well with the ADDED “racial purity test” of 2017. Why not just extremely clear about this? * For reference to everyone this is the link to 2013/2014’s competition. http://hlj.com/Playing-With-Plamo-Modeling-Competition-2013#howto ** This is the link to 2017’s competition http://hlj.com/plamo-2017#howto View

    I am not taking HLJ to court. I am just noting the inconsistencies in the language and regulations of the competition.

    I am noting it because as a participant of the previous competition these new rules did not apply. The inconsistencies arise from the fact that they just copied and pasted the same rules as the ones from 2013/2014 and then added new ones. If they had just written the new competition rules from scratch or alternatively not added any of these nonsensical rules it would have made it much clearer and more interesting.

  • MangyForestCat posted a new activity comment 6 months, 4 weeks ago

    In reply to: MangyForestCat posted an update in the group Advanced Modeler - Modeling Competition 2017 @syd Why is there a “racial purity test\" for this competition? I do not understand at all the decision made to have this mixed messaging of what kits we are and are not allowed to use and whether they came from HLJ.com or not. If your intention was to create a completely closed ecosystem where no kits, but those bought from HLJ.com, would be eligible then obviously it is within your rights to do so. In that case why even bother with the description in the Advanced Category that it can be “a kit completely scratch-built, even a creation all your own that has never been seen before.” You know that from a logical perspective that those two things are mutually exclusive and cannot be true at the same time. You cannot BOTH A) Have a kit that you bought from HLJ.com or has been available to purchase from HLJ.com AND B) Make “a kit completely scratch-built, even a creation all your own that has never been seen before.” Those two are completely and utterly incompatible with each other. If you completely scratch-build a kit then it has obviously never been available for sale at HLJ.com. On top of which how do you judge this nonsensical little gem “the main part of your entry [has to] be an item that is, or was at one point, available for sale on hlj.com”? A completely scratch built, one-of-a-kind model, made at home from personally molded plastic/resin/vinyl/carbon-fiber, isn’t a kit that was once available from HLJ. On top of that, since it won’t have a “main part” to claim is from your website, how would you even possibly begin to categorize whether it’s eligible to partcipate? Honestly, I’ve studied with friends that have done computer programming and friends that have gone to law school. From a purely logical standpoint. This is terrible logic programming and makes no sense whatsoever. I bet this all went down a little something like this. Your boss Scott and everyone involved had a big discussion and, after a long examination and debate over 2013/2014, you decided to go a different direction and be more closed off, stifling, and restrictive with this year’s rules. Seeing all of this attention drawn to scratch built kits and items you do not sell on HLJ.com, you all came to the conclusion was not good for your business. You decided to make it more promotional in nature so that people would be more interested in using materials, building, and buying from HLJ. I get that. I completely understand that you want to draw attention to your company and this is all just one big promotion scheme. I’m not against that. What I am against is unclear rules and stifling creativity. Why not just be extremely clear, unrelenting, and Draconian with the rules? Why not just outright and flat-out state that we had to buy and a use a kit directly from HLJ.com? Why keep the colorful language in the Advanced Category saying you can completely scratch build a kit, when obviously that would, by any measure of logic, go against the idea that it’s from HLJ.com, or has at one time been sold there? You want to have it both ways and honestly your rules are not even close to allowing that to be true. And finally, why not just be more honest and open about this with EVERYONE? Why not just flat out tell everyone the reasons why you have different rules this year? Why have all this colorful, meandering, fuzzy, language around what is an isn’t allowed? Just be honest. You examined the 2013/2014 competition. You realized people weren’t necessarily using HLJ kits and materials. You didn’t really appreciate the true scratch-built and models from companies you don\'t sell from. You decided to do this competition and be more restrictive with the rules and regulations. You decided to stifle people’s choices and imaginations in order to promote your shop. I hold none of that against you. You are a business. However, as I already mentioned, what I do hold against you is this unclear and rather ridiculous stance you have taken. It’s obvious you just did a “Copy & Paste” of the old competition rules and category descriptions but you added in the “racial purity test” to make sure the kits come from HLJ. However you failed to notice that the rules from 2013/2014 do not mesh well with the ADDED “racial purity test” of 2017. Why not just extremely clear about this? * For reference to everyone this is the link to 2013/2014’s competition. http://hlj.com/Playing-With-Plamo-Modeling-Competition-2013#howto ** This is the link to 2017’s competition http://hlj.com/plamo-2017#howto View

    When I said “racial purity test” it’s an analogy to what is generally regarded to be a negative thing. If you can’t understand simple abstract thinking then I really can’t help you, but I know you understand me. I think your comment and one other from another member in the Advanced Category actually understands what I’m talking about.

    Anyway, I am a loyal customer of HLJ and I have spent hundreds of dollars at the store. I also still have my prize which I haven’t yet built from 3 years ago from the last competition. I am arguing against what I believe to be completely unnecessary rules and regulations that make this competition less interesting and less fun than the one from 2013/2014. I don’t know why it’s so hard for most to understand this.

  • MangyForestCat posted a new activity comment 6 months, 4 weeks ago

    In reply to: MangyForestCat posted an update in the group Advanced Modeler - Modeling Competition 2017 @syd Why is there a “racial purity test\" for this competition? I do not understand at all the decision made to have this mixed messaging of what kits we are and are not allowed to use and whether they came from HLJ.com or not. If your intention was to create a completely closed ecosystem where no kits, but those bought from HLJ.com, would be eligible then obviously it is within your rights to do so. In that case why even bother with the description in the Advanced Category that it can be “a kit completely scratch-built, even a creation all your own that has never been seen before.” You know that from a logical perspective that those two things are mutually exclusive and cannot be true at the same time. You cannot BOTH A) Have a kit that you bought from HLJ.com or has been available to purchase from HLJ.com AND B) Make “a kit completely scratch-built, even a creation all your own that has never been seen before.” Those two are completely and utterly incompatible with each other. If you completely scratch-build a kit then it has obviously never been available for sale at HLJ.com. On top of which how do you judge this nonsensical little gem “the main part of your entry [has to] be an item that is, or was at one point, available for sale on hlj.com”? A completely scratch built, one-of-a-kind model, made at home from personally molded plastic/resin/vinyl/carbon-fiber, isn’t a kit that was once available from HLJ. On top of that, since it won’t have a “main part” to claim is from your website, how would you even possibly begin to categorize whether it’s eligible to partcipate? Honestly, I’ve studied with friends that have done computer programming and friends that have gone to law school. From a purely logical standpoint. This is terrible logic programming and makes no sense whatsoever. I bet this all went down a little something like this. Your boss Scott and everyone involved had a big discussion and, after a long examination and debate over 2013/2014, you decided to go a different direction and be more closed off, stifling, and restrictive with this year’s rules. Seeing all of this attention drawn to scratch built kits and items you do not sell on HLJ.com, you all came to the conclusion was not good for your business. You decided to make it more promotional in nature so that people would be more interested in using materials, building, and buying from HLJ. I get that. I completely understand that you want to draw attention to your company and this is all just one big promotion scheme. I’m not against that. What I am against is unclear rules and stifling creativity. Why not just be extremely clear, unrelenting, and Draconian with the rules? Why not just outright and flat-out state that we had to buy and a use a kit directly from HLJ.com? Why keep the colorful language in the Advanced Category saying you can completely scratch build a kit, when obviously that would, by any measure of logic, go against the idea that it’s from HLJ.com, or has at one time been sold there? You want to have it both ways and honestly your rules are not even close to allowing that to be true. And finally, why not just be more honest and open about this with EVERYONE? Why not just flat out tell everyone the reasons why you have different rules this year? Why have all this colorful, meandering, fuzzy, language around what is an isn’t allowed? Just be honest. You examined the 2013/2014 competition. You realized people weren’t necessarily using HLJ kits and materials. You didn’t really appreciate the true scratch-built and models from companies you don\'t sell from. You decided to do this competition and be more restrictive with the rules and regulations. You decided to stifle people’s choices and imaginations in order to promote your shop. I hold none of that against you. You are a business. However, as I already mentioned, what I do hold against you is this unclear and rather ridiculous stance you have taken. It’s obvious you just did a “Copy & Paste” of the old competition rules and category descriptions but you added in the “racial purity test” to make sure the kits come from HLJ. However you failed to notice that the rules from 2013/2014 do not mesh well with the ADDED “racial purity test” of 2017. Why not just extremely clear about this? * For reference to everyone this is the link to 2013/2014’s competition. http://hlj.com/Playing-With-Plamo-Modeling-Competition-2013#howto ** This is the link to 2017’s competition http://hlj.com/plamo-2017#howto View

    I don’t know why you think I haven’t. Like it has occurred to you but it hasn’t to me. I did that previous to my posting this on the 3 main pages. I decided that it should be public knowledge and show the inconsistencies to all.

  • MangyForestCat posted a new activity comment 6 months, 4 weeks ago

    In reply to: MangyForestCat posted an update in the group Intermediate Modeler – Modeling Competition 2017 @syd Why is there a “racial purity test\" for this competition? I do not understand at all the decision made to have this mixed messaging of what kits we are and are not allowed to use and whether they came from HLJ.com or not. If your intention was to create a completely closed ecosystem where no kits, but those bought from HLJ.com, would be eligible then obviously it is within your rights to do so. In that case why even bother with the description in the Advanced Category that it can be “a kit completely scratch-built, even a creation all your own that has never been seen before.” You know that from a logical perspective that those two things are mutually exclusive and cannot be true at the same time. You cannot BOTH A) Have a kit that you bought from HLJ.com or has been available to purchase from HLJ.com AND B) Make “a kit completely scratch-built, even a creation all your own that has never been seen before.” Those two are completely and utterly incompatible with each other. If you completely scratch-build a kit then it has obviously never been available for sale at HLJ.com. On top of which how do you judge this nonsensical little gem “the main part of your entry [has to] be an item that is, or was at one point, available for sale on hlj.com”? A completely scratch built, one-of-a-kind model, made at home from personally molded plastic/resin/vinyl/carbon-fiber, isn’t a kit that was once available from HLJ. On top of that, since it won’t have a “main part” to claim is from your website, how would you even possibly begin to categorize whether it’s eligible to partcipate? Honestly, I’ve studied with friends that have done computer programming and friends that have gone to law school. From a purely logical standpoint. This is terrible logic programming and makes no sense whatsoever. I bet this all went down a little something like this. Your boss Scott and everyone involved had a big discussion and, after a long examination and debate over 2013/2014, you decided to go a different direction and be more closed off, stifling, and restrictive with this year’s rules. Seeing all of this attention drawn to scratch built kits and items you do not sell on HLJ.com, you all came to the conclusion was not good for your business. You decided to make it more promotional in nature so that people would be more interested in using materials, building, and buying from HLJ. I get that. I completely understand that you want to draw attention to your company and this is all just one big promotion scheme. I’m not against that. What I am against is unclear rules and stifling creativity. Why not just be extremely clear, unrelenting, and Draconian with the rules? Why not just outright and flat-out state that we had to buy and a use a kit directly from HLJ.com? Why keep the colorful language in the Advanced Category saying you can completely scratch build a kit, when obviously that would, by any measure of logic, go against the idea that it’s from HLJ.com, or has at one time been sold there? You want to have it both ways and honestly your rules are not even close to allowing that to be true. And finally, why not just be more honest and open about this with EVERYONE? Why not just flat out tell everyone the reasons why you have different rules this year? Why have all this colorful, meandering, fuzzy, language around what is an isn’t allowed? Just be honest. You examined the 2013/2014 competition. You realized people weren’t necessarily using HLJ kits and materials. You didn’t really appreciate the true scratch-built and models from companies you don\'t sell from. You decided to do this competition and be more restrictive with the rules and regulations. You decided to stifle people’s choices and imaginations in order to promote your shop. I hold none of that against you. You are a business. However, as I already mentioned, what I do hold against you is this unclear and rather ridiculous stance you have taken. It’s obvious you just did a “Copy & Paste” of the old competition rules and category descriptions but you added in the “racial purity test” to make sure the kits come from HLJ. However you failed to notice that the rules from 2013/2014 do not mesh well with the ADDED “racial purity test” of 2017. Why not just extremely clear about this? * For reference to everyone this is the link to 2013/2014’s competition. http://hlj.com/Playing-With-Plamo-Modeling-Competition-2013#howto ** This is the link to 2017’s competition http://hlj.com/plamo-2017#howto View

    I’m sorry I’m having a hard time understanding why you are trying to explain what the name of the competition means. I know what the competition means. I do not know why you’re explaining TO ME what it means.

    I won 4th place runner-up in the 2013-2014 competition for a price of 8,000 yen. So explain to me why you think you know more than me?

    Here is the link to the timestamp where my kit was featured.

    In fact both the scratch-built car before mine AND my own submission itself would both be ineligible from competing this year because of the added rules.

    The rule requiring kits available from HLJ is a nonsensical rule put in place to promote HLJ.com and not made clear at all with the FAQ or the Advanced Categ…[Read more]

    • I have no idea why you’re calling it a “racial” purity test.
      What does race have to do with anything?

    • And just a word to the wise, you’re coming off as holier than thou saying things like “So explain to me why you think you know more than me?”

      • Richigo I have much respect for you and your work. Your submission to the 2013/2014 competition was amazing.

        I did not even submit my entry to the Advanced Category in 2014. I submitted my entry to the Intermediate Category because I saw models like yours and others in the Advanced Category and I did not believe I could hack it at that level.

        I was moved to the Advanced Category by @Syd and the other judges. I was extremely humbled and honored to be considered and pushed into the Advanced Category.

        I understand how you believe I am coming off in an abrasive and negative manner. However I have all the replies you sent saved in my e-mail inbox. You deleted a few of them. It seemed like you were more upset over what I wrote than you let off publicly here. Nevertheless, I am peeved…[Read more]

        • yeah I deleted those comments because they weren’t helpful or productive, apologies for that 🙂
          I entered in intermediate in the last comp and got bumped to advanced just like you 😛

    • “In fact both the scratch-built car before mine AND my own submission itself would both be ineligible from competing this year because of the added rules.”

      Who cares? This is a completely new competition, with a new set of rules. Everyone else seems to be fine with these rules. We are fine with restricting the competition to kits at are widely available, not the obscure kits that you seem to be campaigning for in your comments. Ultimately, if you have a problem with the rules, then don’t join.

      • I care and I have a problem with these rules. That’s why I made these posts. If you don’t care then feel free not to care to yourself and keep it off my post.

        I have problems with not allowing certain kits. The kits I’ve mentioned are not obscure; they just don’t interest you. In fact I’ll put it to you this way…

        Ultimately, if you have a problem with my post, then don’t respond.

  • MangyForestCat posted a new activity comment 6 months, 4 weeks ago

    In reply to: MangyForestCat posted an update in the group Beginner Modeler - Modeling Competition 2017 @syd Why is there a “racial purity test\" for this competition? I do not understand at all the decision made to have this mixed messaging of what kits we are and are not allowed to use and whether they came from HLJ.com or not. If your intention was to create a completely closed ecosystem where no kits, but those bought from HLJ.com, would be eligible then obviously it is within your rights to do so. In that case why even bother with the description in the Advanced Category that it can be “a kit completely scratch-built, even a creation all your own that has never been seen before.” You know that from a logical perspective that those two things are mutually exclusive and cannot be true at the same time. You cannot BOTH A) Have a kit that you bought from HLJ.com or has been available to purchase from HLJ.com AND B) Make “a kit completely scratch-built, even a creation all your own that has never been seen before.” Those two are completely and utterly incompatible with each other. If you completely scratch-build a kit then it has obviously never been available for sale at HLJ.com. On top of which how do you judge this nonsensical little gem “the main part of your entry [has to] be an item that is, or was at one point, available for sale on hlj.com”? A completely scratch built, one-of-a-kind model, made at home from personally molded plastic/resin/vinyl/carbon-fiber, isn’t a kit that was once available from HLJ. On top of that, since it won’t have a “main part” to claim is from your website, how would you even possibly begin to categorize whether it’s eligible to partcipate? Honestly, I’ve studied with friends that have done computer programming and friends that have gone to law school. From a purely logical standpoint. This is terrible logic programming and makes no sense whatsoever. I bet this all went down a little something like this. Your boss Scott and everyone involved had a big discussion and, after a long examination and debate over 2013/2014, you decided to go a different direction and be more closed off, stifling, and restrictive with this year’s rules. Seeing all of this attention drawn to scratch built kits and items you do not sell on HLJ.com, you all came to the conclusion was not good for your business. You decided to make it more promotional in nature so that people would be more interested in using materials, building, and buying from HLJ. I get that. I completely understand that you want to draw attention to your company and this is all just one big promotion scheme. I’m not against that. What I am against is unclear rules and stifling creativity. Why not just be extremely clear, unrelenting, and Draconian with the rules? Why not just outright and flat-out state that we had to buy and a use a kit directly from HLJ.com? Why keep the colorful language in the Advanced Category saying you can completely scratch build a kit, when obviously that would, by any measure of logic, go against the idea that it’s from HLJ.com, or has at one time been sold there? You want to have it both ways and honestly your rules are not even close to allowing that to be true. And finally, why not just be more honest and open about this with EVERYONE? Why not just flat out tell everyone the reasons why you have different rules this year? Why have all this colorful, meandering, fuzzy, language around what is an isn’t allowed? Just be honest. You examined the 2013/2014 competition. You realized people weren’t necessarily using HLJ kits and materials. You didn’t really appreciate the true scratch-built and models from companies you don\'t sell from. You decided to do this competition and be more restrictive with the rules and regulations. You decided to stifle people’s choices and imaginations in order to promote your shop. I hold none of that against you. You are a business. However, as I already mentioned, what I do hold against you is this unclear and rather ridiculous stance you have taken. It’s obvious you just did a “Copy & Paste” of the old competition rules and category descriptions but you added in the “racial purity test” to make sure the kits come from HLJ. However you failed to notice that the rules from 2013/2014 do not mesh well with the ADDED “racial purity test” of 2017. Why not just extremely clear about this? * For reference to everyone this is the link to 2013/2014’s competition. http://hlj.com/Playing-With-Plamo-Modeling-Competition-2013#howto ** This is the link to 2017’s competition http://hlj.com/plamo-2017#howto View

    Again this has nothing to do with my post. You have failed to understand the internal hypocrisy and illogical inconsistencies arising from these new rules added on top of the 2013/2014 rules and category description.

  • MangyForestCat posted a new activity comment 6 months, 4 weeks ago

    In reply to: MangyForestCat posted an update in the group Beginner Modeler - Modeling Competition 2017 @syd Why is there a “racial purity test\" for this competition? I do not understand at all the decision made to have this mixed messaging of what kits we are and are not allowed to use and whether they came from HLJ.com or not. If your intention was to create a completely closed ecosystem where no kits, but those bought from HLJ.com, would be eligible then obviously it is within your rights to do so. In that case why even bother with the description in the Advanced Category that it can be “a kit completely scratch-built, even a creation all your own that has never been seen before.” You know that from a logical perspective that those two things are mutually exclusive and cannot be true at the same time. You cannot BOTH A) Have a kit that you bought from HLJ.com or has been available to purchase from HLJ.com AND B) Make “a kit completely scratch-built, even a creation all your own that has never been seen before.” Those two are completely and utterly incompatible with each other. If you completely scratch-build a kit then it has obviously never been available for sale at HLJ.com. On top of which how do you judge this nonsensical little gem “the main part of your entry [has to] be an item that is, or was at one point, available for sale on hlj.com”? A completely scratch built, one-of-a-kind model, made at home from personally molded plastic/resin/vinyl/carbon-fiber, isn’t a kit that was once available from HLJ. On top of that, since it won’t have a “main part” to claim is from your website, how would you even possibly begin to categorize whether it’s eligible to partcipate? Honestly, I’ve studied with friends that have done computer programming and friends that have gone to law school. From a purely logical standpoint. This is terrible logic programming and makes no sense whatsoever. I bet this all went down a little something like this. Your boss Scott and everyone involved had a big discussion and, after a long examination and debate over 2013/2014, you decided to go a different direction and be more closed off, stifling, and restrictive with this year’s rules. Seeing all of this attention drawn to scratch built kits and items you do not sell on HLJ.com, you all came to the conclusion was not good for your business. You decided to make it more promotional in nature so that people would be more interested in using materials, building, and buying from HLJ. I get that. I completely understand that you want to draw attention to your company and this is all just one big promotion scheme. I’m not against that. What I am against is unclear rules and stifling creativity. Why not just be extremely clear, unrelenting, and Draconian with the rules? Why not just outright and flat-out state that we had to buy and a use a kit directly from HLJ.com? Why keep the colorful language in the Advanced Category saying you can completely scratch build a kit, when obviously that would, by any measure of logic, go against the idea that it’s from HLJ.com, or has at one time been sold there? You want to have it both ways and honestly your rules are not even close to allowing that to be true. And finally, why not just be more honest and open about this with EVERYONE? Why not just flat out tell everyone the reasons why you have different rules this year? Why have all this colorful, meandering, fuzzy, language around what is an isn’t allowed? Just be honest. You examined the 2013/2014 competition. You realized people weren’t necessarily using HLJ kits and materials. You didn’t really appreciate the true scratch-built and models from companies you don\'t sell from. You decided to do this competition and be more restrictive with the rules and regulations. You decided to stifle people’s choices and imaginations in order to promote your shop. I hold none of that against you. You are a business. However, as I already mentioned, what I do hold against you is this unclear and rather ridiculous stance you have taken. It’s obvious you just did a “Copy & Paste” of the old competition rules and category descriptions but you added in the “racial purity test” to make sure the kits come from HLJ. However you failed to notice that the rules from 2013/2014 do not mesh well with the ADDED “racial purity test” of 2017. Why not just extremely clear about this? * For reference to everyone this is the link to 2013/2014’s competition. http://hlj.com/Playing-With-Plamo-Modeling-Competition-2013#howto ** This is the link to 2017’s competition http://hlj.com/plamo-2017#howto View

    I didn’t say they don’t offer scratch build materials. I know that HLJ offers many things including scratch built materials. That is besides the point. I can go to my local art supply or hobby store, and buy all the materials for scratch building. Someone building a completely scratch built model can use materials from various sources. How does @Syd and the other judges factor in which counts as the “main part of the entry” in that case?

    This “racial purity test” looking for this patrilineal relation with kits sold or at one time offered by HLJ is nonsensical. Why not just make the rules clear and exceedingly simple? So they only want kits from HLJ. Fine. Then why the mixed messaging and semi-open language around the FAQs? In which case why just “Copy & Paste” the entire same…[Read more]

    • In the most recent Gunpla TV episode, Syd confirmed that the materials can be purchased anywhere, they only needed to be available on hlj.com.

      • Again this has nothing to do with my post. You have failed to understand the internal hypocrisy and illogical inconsistencies arising from these new rules added on top of the 2013/2014 rules and category description.

  • @syd Why is there a “racial purity test” for this competition?

    I do not understand at all the decision made to have this mixed messaging of what kits we are and are not allowed to use and whether they came from HLJ.com or not.

    If your intention was to create a completely closed ecosystem where no kits, but those bought from HLJ.com, would be eligible then obviously it is within your rights to do so. In that case why even bother with the description in the Advanced Category that it can be “a kit completely scratch-built, even a creation all your own that has never been seen before.”

    You know that from a logical perspective that those two things are mutually exclusive and cannot be true at the same time.

    You cannot BOTH

    A) Have a kit that you bought from HLJ.com or has been…[Read more]

    • why not just message syd directly instead of posting this in all 3 competition pages?

    • I think most of what you said is correct semantically, but I think you are reading too much into it. They have set up restrictions to ensure that the contest is aimed for their clients and as you said this is ok. They have also realized that these restrictions, are in effect, restrictive for the advanced category so they added a clause to allow scratch-building, so to speak. It doesn’t change the fact that we are still their clients and hence the competition is meant for us. If anything, it shows that, if you have the skills to scratch-build, you do not necessarily have to enter something bought from them or enter an item that they sell in this particular case. Their is nothing racial about it!

      To conclude, maybe they could have phrased things a little more clearly, but I…[Read more]

      • When I said “racial purity test” it’s an analogy to what is generally regarded to be a negative thing. If you can’t understand simple abstract thinking then I really can’t help you, but I know you understand me. I think your comment and one other from another member in the Advanced Category actually understands what I’m talking about.

        Anyway, I am a loyal customer of HLJ and I have spent hundreds of dollars at the store. I also still have my prize which I haven’t yet built from 3 years ago from the last competition. I am arguing against what I believe to be completely unnecessary rules and regulations that make this competition less interesting and less fun than the one from 2013/2014. I don’t know why it’s so hard for most to understand this.

    • I found the rules very clear. For someone who is versed in rules and laws and have friends in this field, you made quite a few assumptions on HLJs behalf that cannot be used in any court ruling. The categories were clearly meant to classify skill which in itself cannot be logically quantified. Completely scratch building a kit truly could disqualify an entry based on the rules but that is part of the contest challenge, to qualify and possibly win within the restrictions.

      Rules are meant to keep things in order, principles give meaning to the rules and order. Sticking closely to every line, text and word will inevitably destroy any spirit of any competition, process or endeavor. So where’s the fun in that?

      • I am not taking HLJ to court. I am just noting the inconsistencies in the language and regulations of the competition.

        I am noting it because as a participant of the previous competition these new rules did not apply. The inconsistencies arise from the fact that they just copied and pasted the same rules as the ones from 2013/2014 and then added new ones. If they had just written the new competition rules from scratch or alternatively not added any of these nonsensical rules it would have made it much clearer and more interesting.

    • I could honestly go at length about the ridiculousness of this rule that it has to be a kit that is sold or was once sold in the past at HLJ.

      Not only does it hurt my personal ability to enter with kits that I find extremely interesting like those from Games Workshop, Reaper miniatures, and Privateer Press. It also stops some RIDICULOUS EXAMPLES like Gundam kits that HLJ currently does not, has never, and WILL NEVER sell in the future.

      How do the limited edition and mail-order Gundam kits fit into this? Those are not sold on HLJ.com and have never been sold there. If you go Gentei Kits and check ANY of the Gundam models available there those are technically not eligible to enter in the competition.

      This is why I call it a “racial purity test” because how do you judge if the…[Read more]

      • “I could honestly go at length about the ridiculousness of this rule that it has to be a kit that is sold or was once sold in the past at HLJ.”

        It’s not ridiculous. It’s a perfectly reasonable rule.

        “They want a completely closed off competition then they have that right.”

        Yes they do. Does HLJ have to explain and list all their reasons for this rule? No.

        “Just use your brains.”

        Lol. And you wonder why people find your posts and comments abrasive and condescending. Use your brain.

        • The same goes to you kid. In fact, I can pretty much sum up all of my thoughts on you with a simple eat shit and die.

          If you don’t have any problems with the rules then you can easily stay the hell out of the conversation.

          Do you think HLJ and HLtv needs you here to defend them? Do you think that Syd and the crew need you here representing for them? You know, Syd is a big boy. I’m sure he and whoever is actually in charge can answer for themselves. Are you such a pure fanboy that you can’t help but elbow in on every conversation? Do you need attention on you at all times like a child? Don’t worry, you’ve got my attention.

          I’ve raised legitimate questions about the rules and regulations of the competition. If you don’t have anything constructive to add then sit on your hands…[Read more]

  • @syd Why is there a “racial purity test” for this competition?

    I do not understand at all the decision made to have this mixed messaging of what kits we are and are not allowed to use and whether they came from HLJ.com or not.

    If your intention was to create a completely closed ecosystem where no kits, but those bought from HLJ.com, would be eligible then obviously it is within your rights to do so. In that case why even bother with the description in the Advanced Category that it can be “a kit completely scratch-built, even a creation all your own that has never been seen before.”

    You know that from a logical perspective that those two things are mutually exclusive and cannot be true at the same time.

    You cannot BOTH

    A) Have a kit that you bought from HLJ.com or has been…[Read more]

    • The contest is called Playing with PLAMO. Even with the statement “a creation all your own that has never been seen before,” it’s CLEAR that there must be a plamo at the core of a submission.

      As for requiring kits to be available at HLJ at any time, it’s a reasonable rule given the proliferation of KOs.

      • I’m sorry I’m having a hard time understanding why you are trying to explain what the name of the competition means. I know what the competition means. I do not know why you’re explaining TO ME what it means.

        I won 4th place runner-up in the 2013-2014 competition for a price of 8,000 yen. So explain to me why you think you know more than me?

        Here is the link to the timestamp where my kit was featured.

        In fact both the scratch-built car before mine AND my own submission itself would both be ineligible from competing this year because of the added rules.

        The rule requiring kits available from HLJ is a nonsensical rule put in place to promote HLJ.com and not made clear at all with the FAQ or the Advanced Categ…[Read more]

        • I have no idea why you’re calling it a “racial” purity test.
          What does race have to do with anything?

        • And just a word to the wise, you’re coming off as holier than thou saying things like “So explain to me why you think you know more than me?”

          • Richigo I have much respect for you and your work. Your submission to the 2013/2014 competition was amazing.

            I did not even submit my entry to the Advanced Category in 2014. I submitted my entry to the Intermediate Category because I saw models like yours and others in the Advanced Category and I did not believe I could hack it at that level.

            I was moved to the Advanced Category by @Syd and the other judges. I was extremely humbled and honored to be considered and pushed into the Advanced Category.

            I understand how you believe I am coming off in an abrasive and negative manner. However I have all the replies you sent saved in my e-mail inbox. You deleted a few of them. It seemed like you were more upset over what I wrote than you let off publicly here. Nevertheless, I am peeved…[Read more]

            • yeah I deleted those comments because they weren’t helpful or productive, apologies for that 🙂
              I entered in intermediate in the last comp and got bumped to advanced just like you 😛

        • “In fact both the scratch-built car before mine AND my own submission itself would both be ineligible from competing this year because of the added rules.”

          Who cares? This is a completely new competition, with a new set of rules. Everyone else seems to be fine with these rules. We are fine with restricting the competition to kits at are widely available, not the obscure kits that you seem to be campaigning for in your comments. Ultimately, if you have a problem with the rules, then don’t join.

          • I care and I have a problem with these rules. That’s why I made these posts. If you don’t care then feel free not to care to yourself and keep it off my post.

            I have problems with not allowing certain kits. The kits I’ve mentioned are not obscure; they just don’t interest you. In fact I’ll put it to you this way…

            Ultimately, if you have a problem with my post, then don’t respond.

    • I am curious what kit or kits or scratch building do you have in mind are affected by the rules they set out so much that made you.
      Its clear to me that these rules they set must have affected your choice or choices of builds greatly for you to look into the rules this much.

      • It sure has. I had several in mind and none of them are available on HLJ. In fact that was my entire strategy. To build and model something no one else has. Something not even similar to what everyone else has.

        I build mecha, and I build planes, and I build tanks, and I have built cars as well. Nobody else here will ever build and post from Games Workshop’s line of model kits like I have. They don’t build from Reaper Miniatures, or from ForgeWorld, or from even the exquisite and beautiful historical and fantastical Pegaso models.

        The idea that I can’t bring forth in full force something like Warhammer Age of Sigmar’s amazing Alarielle The Everqueen, or a Clockwork Dragon from Reaper, is just maddening. We are restricting this to generally eastern/Asian kits. This was not a rule…[Read more]

    • Incredible skill and portfolio aside, I find an issue with impossing restrictions. Restraint and restrictions are part of what makes incredible and inspiring art work. Beethoven composed the ninth symphony, one of the most iconic works of not only music but of art in history. What makes it more amazing? He was virtually tone deaf while composing it. These so called handicaps can be viewed at a very negative light or used for utter greatness.

      So what if HLJ seemingly restricted the entries at “asian” models? There is nothing that prevents you from taking a core “Asian” kit and model around that an obscure model of your choosing. Heck, I’m using used ID cards from my office to spice up my model.

      I’m sure you have all the skill necessary to make a great model despite all these…[Read more]

  • @syd Why is there a “racial purity test” for this competition?

    I do not understand at all the decision made to have this mixed messaging of what kits we are and are not allowed to use and whether they came from HLJ.com or not.

    If your intention was to create a completely closed ecosystem where no kits, but those bought from HLJ.com, would be eligible then obviously it is within your rights to do so. In that case why even bother with the description in the Advanced Category that it can be “a kit completely scratch-built, even a creation all your own that has never been seen before.”

    You know that from a logical perspective that those two things are mutually exclusive and cannot be true at the same time.

    You cannot BOTH

    A) Have a kit that you bought from HLJ.com or has been…[Read more]

    • I agree with your reason that they want to promote their company, and it is completely fine. As for the unclear rules, I believe hlj.com does offer scratch build materials.
      http://hlj.com/product/TAM70124/Sup
      So I guess nothing is wrong then.

      • I didn’t say they don’t offer scratch build materials. I know that HLJ offers many things including scratch built materials. That is besides the point. I can go to my local art supply or hobby store, and buy all the materials for scratch building. Someone building a completely scratch built model can use materials from various sources. How does @Syd and the other judges factor in which counts as the “main part of the entry” in that case?

        This “racial purity test” looking for this patrilineal relation with kits sold or at one time offered by HLJ is nonsensical. Why not just make the rules clear and exceedingly simple? So they only want kits from HLJ. Fine. Then why the mixed messaging and semi-open language around the FAQs? In which case why just “Copy & Paste” the entire same…[Read more]

        • In the most recent Gunpla TV episode, Syd confirmed that the materials can be purchased anywhere, they only needed to be available on hlj.com.

          • Again this has nothing to do with my post. You have failed to understand the internal hypocrisy and illogical inconsistencies arising from these new rules added on top of the 2013/2014 rules and category description.

    • Racial purity rest?

      It’s their competition. They want you to use their kits / supplies to win their prizes. It’s their promotion. Seems pretty legitimate to me. And I agree with it.

      I’m a side note, please don’t refer to basic modeling promotion rules as racial purity tests. It is offensive and really doesn’t make sense either.

      • If unclear rules is ur issue, contact HLJ staffs/ read FAQs. They have made stuff much more clear in the FAQ page. Stifling creativity? not sure about that. HLJ does sell huge selection of scratch building materials. Besides, read the FAQ page on 2017 page. U are allowed to use kits NOT BOUGHT FROM HLJ but U WILL NEED TO OWN A HLJ ACCOUNT.

        p.s. just like tony said above don’t refer this as a racial puriy tests. Seriously, it’s offensive and do mind using a more appropriate vocabulary when posting something.

        • I think I can grasp a bit of Mangy’s frustration/confusion. The root of this problem is not the scratch building or using an HLJ kit, etc, but the use of poor diction to describe the “mentioned” judging criteria. The term “completely” was probably implied as 100% of the kit is built from non preexisting parts (i.e. literally building it from the ground up like a clay sculpture). This created a contradiction since the entry needs to be, at one point, a kit HLJ sales/sold.
          But in all fairness, this is the second time HLJ is hosting the contest, thus they should have clearer guidelines. However, it is not uncommon to discover some growing pains with the new rules. It is the participant’s liability to read, understand, and stay updated on the rules and ask for clarification if…[Read more]

          • You are the only one who has hit the nail right on the head. You’re exactly right. You understand my frustration and confusion considering I was already thinking of what I would be modeling and painting. It is absolutely semantics but it’s also about being both contradicting and inconsistent within their own rules.

          • I’ve already mentioned this but think of the ridiculousness of not allowing limited edition mail-order Gundam kits.

            Like say from the website Gentei Kits.

            http://genteikits.com/kits/

            These are exclusive Bandai Gundam models that are available only if you order them by mail and available only in Japan on a one by one ordering basis.

            HLJ does not, has never, and will never sell the following available kits you can get directly from Bandai.

            MG 1/100 Tallgeese II & III

            HGUC 1/144 RGM-89S Proto Stark Jegan

            RE/100 1/100 Rebawoo

            So how do we classify those kits? Not allowed according to the ridiculous rules, or is it allowed because they are so similar to the “kinds of kits” that HLJ sells? So how “pure” do the kits have to be? Are only kits from HLJ.com allowed? How about kit…[Read more]

            • The base kit needs to be available on HLJ for purchase.
              Since the listed kits are originally a “P-Bandai” they will be considered illegal because they are not available at HLJ. However, it is not against the rules to alter another kit to resemble a P-Bandai. For example, HG IBO Iok’s Reginlaze is just a recolor of HG IBO Julieta’s Reginlaze. You can get Julieta’s Reginlaze and just repaint it.

            • For eligibility, the competition states “The first photo posted should be of the model kit box you intend to build.” This is done so the judges can confirm, what kit you are building and is the available for purchase. This is why they also have at least 4 work in progress photo, as a reference to check if you are not cheating. If anything, the more photos you post, the creditable your entry will be.

  • MangyForestCat posted a new activity comment 6 months, 4 weeks ago

    In reply to: Bugue40 posted an update in the group Intermediate Modeler – Modeling Competition 2017
    last pictures,i enjoy to build and paint my first diorama :-)
    View

    You built, painted, and put all the models and diorama together in less than 2 weeks after the competition announcement?

    Yeah I highly doubt it. Then again maybe you’re just that good and dedicated. Good luck

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