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  • GN posted an update in the group Group logo of Gunpla TVGunpla TV 9 years, 7 months ago

    So as much as I’d like a 1/60 PG Kshatriya, being realistic, a 1/00 would be fine and a 1/144 RG (along with Unicorn, Sinanju and Banshee) would be almost as good.

    • It would be huge in mg..

    • If we use the 00 Raiser as a basis of comparison, PG is 10 times the size and weight of HG, and roughly 12 times the cost of HG. MG is roughly 2.5 times the size and weight of HG, and 3.25 times the cost of HG.
      So if we assume the same relationships would hold for Kshatriya, a MG would cost roughly 14500 yen, weigh about 2kg – it would be about 20% larger, heavier, and costlier than MG The-O. A PG Kshatriya would cost around 67500 yen, weigh 8.7kg, and ship in a box twice the size of the PG Gundam GP01, or about 1.5 times the size of the HGUC Dendrobium. For those of us not within walking distance of the warehouse, it would probably cost around 13000 yen to ship it (based on estimated cost of shipping PG Gundam GP01 and PG Strike Freedom together)
      In terms of basic dimensions, a PG Kshatriya would be about a half-meter tall and a half-meter wide… Perhaps only about 30cm deep. It would dwarf Mega Size models (Mega Size Gundam is about 38cm tall, and fairly lean)

      • The 1/144 Kshatriya is 15.5cm tall (according to the HLJ product page) which makes for a PG Kshatriya of 37.2cm tall. Scaling price of $36 up (it’s a volume scale as that’s proportional to weight, which gives us 2.4 cubed) a factor of 13.8 – a near enough $500 kit.

        Doing the same math on a 1/100 we get it being a more reasonable 22.32cm tall and an estimated price of (1.44 cubed = 2.98 factor) $107.

        So yeah, a PG is not practical, but I don’t see why a 1/100 would not be, even if it does end up PG priced.

        • First, HLJ’s product page is probably wrong in this case. (I only say “probably” because there may be some meaningful part of the HGUC Kshatriya you could measure to and get 15.5cm… Based on photos at Dalong, in comparison shots with the MG Gundam it could be about 15.5cm tall, but only if you don’t count the binders and head crest. But what’s the Kshatriya without its binders? With them it’s easily 20-21cm tall. So multiply that by 2.4 to scale it up to 1:60, and you get around 48-50.4cm.
          Second, there are all sorts of reasons why a PG might not be 13.8 times the cost of its HG counterpart – basically, a PG isn’t a “big high grade”, it’s got more complex structure… But really our price estimates are pretty much the same – you’ve just applied the standard 20% discount, treating the HGUC as a 3600 yen kit, while I’m starting with its list price of 4500. 🙂
          The big challenge for any larger Kshatriya kit is supporting the binders. The HGUC uses a locking system to support their weight, but a simple scale-up of that design may not work (weight of the binder is roughly proportional to its volume, while the strength of the strut is roughly proportional to its cross-sectional area – it becomes weaker relative to its burden as you scale up. Also, if it’s a PG we’re talking about, the binder may be heavier still due to internal frame.) I don’t think it’s an insurmountable problem (and one of the reasons I chose the 00 Raiser as a point of comparison is because it has to deal with similar issues – carrying those shield booster things around on those itty bitty struts – though the shield booster things are nowhere near as big as a PG Kshatriya’s binders and from what I’ve heard the PG 00 does have trouble supporting the load…) but supposedly it’s one of the reasons we don’t have a MG Kshatriya already.

          • I think you’re right that the reported height is of the mech itself soles to top of head. That said, PG SF is just under 30cm tall until you spread out the wings, and then it can easily reach 50cm. So yes, the whole kit could be as big as you suggest when you take a pose with the binders in their cool pose.

            I’m assuming the design cost is not what we’re paying for, just the plastic. Or in other words, there is a design cost that’s proportional to the amount of pieces which is proportional to the weight.

            Yes, the support of the binders would seem to be a limiting factor.

            • Actually, that 50cm tall x 50cm wide was for the binders in their “relatively boring” pose – just kind of upright, dangling to the sides of the MS. In this pose the Kshatriya has kind of a square profile – about as wide as it is tall.
              Pose the binders outward, and it would probably be almost a full meter wide…
              As for design cost – that’s not what I meant when I said a PG is more complex. I was saying that a PG kit is more complex than a HG-style kit of the same size. (For instance: PG Strike Gundam, 1.7kg. 1:60 non-grade Strike Gundam, 1kg.)
              But a PG kit also weighs less than you might expect from applying the scaling factor (PG Strike Freedom weighs just 10x what HG Strike Freedom weighs, rather than 14x… Despite the added complexity of PG.) Presumably this is due in part to the fact that, in scaling up, the parts have to be 2.4 times wider and taller, but most don’t have to be 2.4 times thicker.

              • So significantly more impressive than PG SF – no wonder people say they’d want a PG KS.

                Yup, parts themselves are essentially an area-scale because they’re mostly flat, rather than a full volume scale up. The actual factor is probably somewhere between area and volume (squared and cubed).

                • Tetsujin, you’ve found your match on this one. 😀 I agree on Kshathriya. The suit itself is as tall as a Sinanju. Minus the bunders, head hight comparison. So an actual MG would be all that much taller than a The-O or above mentioned Sinanju, add the binders on their “normal” pose and you’re 10cm taller than a Sinanju. Compare a Sinanju with a SEED suit, it’s a head, head and a half taller than your average SEED MG which makes the whole math thing much simpler. A PG would be a roughly head and a half taller than a Strike is, another 15cm with binders on. With the overall size, width ~ hight, more or less a cube shaped space required for this guy. I doubt binders would come in a single piece each, like they do in an HG version, which makes the HG box the size of an MG box. If they did the binders outer armour in one piece, the box would be roughly the same size as a normal PG box but twice thicker, or they could make a square out of it, easier for us to “compute” the size of this thing. Weight, two MG The-O’s. Price for an MG: ~ Â¥11000 with the HLJ discount of 20%. Price for a PG: ~ Â¥27-30000 with the HLJ discount of 20%. Shipping: ~ Â¥15000.
                  This is just me and my thoughts. It would steal beat buying a resin of this guy if you don’t live next to a store that sells it, like tetsujin said.

          • that’s a lot of theory and math. a much simpler way is just to think about how tall the suit is supposed to be. if Kshatriya’s info on the gundam wiki and mahq is right then from his foot to his head is 22.3 meters to get to 1/60 scale you just divide by 60 and you get that he should stand at just over 37 cm so without binders he’s already 7 cm taller than the tallest PG.

            • So I figured 37.2 so we’re coming to the same numbers from different directions.

            • Yeah, but who cares about the size of the Kshatriya without its binders? Don’t people usually like to display the Kshatriya -with- its binders? 🙂

              • The same applies though to PG SF – with wings out it’s vastly larger than the ~30cm of the mech. The KS with binders out would be vastly larger than the mech too.

                Although the size would make it impractical for many to display, probably the bigger issue is the material strength for it to hold a pose with the binders and not collapse under it’s own weight. That said, there’s other materials that could be used for a model kit of this calibre other than PS or ABS….

                • But unlike SF, you don’t even have to do anything with the binders (apart from attaching them) to get significantly bigger than 37cm high. Just a regular standing pose with the binders attached would be 50cm tall and 50cm wide. That’s why I say starting from head height and calculating that 37cm size isn’t a useful gauge of a PG Kshatriya’s size. It’s not representative of how big the thing would -actually- be.

                  • well I was just saying that he is already 37 without the binders and ofcourse with them he’s even bigger but there’s no official measurement that I’m aware of for the binder’s , the point was that even without them he’s 7 cm taller than the biggest PG and 7cm may not seem like much but that’s more than the difference in head heights between HG kits and Mg kits, and possibly even hg to pg for standard mobile suits.

    • Just to be daft we could always ask for a PG Meteor unit to go with the PG Strike Freedom 🙂 – can you imagine how big those beams would be on the front of it!

    • wasnt the mg Perfect Zeong the size of a PG?

      • Yes yes it was, but well that was adding legs to a suit that was as big as a normal MS without them so it really couldn’t be smaller considering his legs are pretty close to his height before adding them to him.